• Re: Before high-speed rail, there was San Francisco's Freeway to Nowhere

    From hancock4@hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com to misc.transport.rail.americas on Wed Jun 20 12:27:13 2018
    On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 5:02:12 PM UTC-4, houn...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

    Unlikely to happen under the current administration.

    The current Administration seeks to destroy Amtrak. It has replaced
    dining cars with a sandwich for dinner and a bagel for breakfast, yet
    increased fares. Not exactly an inducement to travel.
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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk to misc.transport.rail.americas on Wed Jun 20 22:21:34 2018
    On 20/06/2018 20:27, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 5:02:12 PM UTC-4, houn...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

    Unlikely to happen under the current administration.

    The current Administration seeks to destroy Amtrak. It has replaced
    dining cars with a sandwich for dinner and a bagel for breakfast, yet increased fares. Not exactly an inducement to travel.


    Have they retained dining cars at least on the Zephyr or the Eagle?

    Does VIA Rail still use dining cars, say on the Ocean?
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  • From John Levine@johnl@taugh.com to misc.transport.rail.americas,alt.california,sac.politics,alt.politics.democrats,misc.survivalism on Wed Jun 20 22:13:33 2018
    In article <chine.bleu-54F269.12491119062018@reader.eternal-september.org>, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Via the Pennsylvania RR through Philadelphia and Pittsburgh it was 901
    miles and via the New York Central through Albany and Toledo it was
    960 miles. The NYC route has the better selection of intermediate
    cities if one wants to justify a high speed line.

    You can run airplanes between any two airports without the expense of building
    rail lines, but it does require airports with the traffic capacity for the >airplanes.

    No kidding. Having driven home from DCA to upstate New York Monday
    night because my planes were cancelled due to EWR going kerflooie in
    bad weather, I can say it's a fantasy that we can add more airport
    capacity usefully close to city centers.

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  • From John Levine@johnl@taugh.com to misc.transport.rail.americas on Wed Jun 20 22:33:15 2018
    In article <pgegh3$dne$1@dont-email.me>,
    hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    Have they retained dining cars at least on the Zephyr or the Eagle?

    I'm sorry but this is secret information, available only to the elite
    few who visit the Amtrak web site and look at the schedules.

    Does VIA Rail still use dining cars, say on the Ocean?

    I'm sorry but this is secret information, available only to the elite
    few who visit the Via web site and look at the meals page.

    https://www.viarail.ca/en/travel-info/onboard-train/meals

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  • From pcm@dont-email.me@pcm@dont-email.me to misc.transport.rail.americas,alt.california,sac.politics,alt.politics.democrats,misc.survivalism on Wed Jun 20 23:15:41 2018
    On 20 Jun 2018, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> posted some news:pgejid$1ge8$2@gal.iecc.com:

    In article
    <chine.bleu-54F269.12491119062018@reader.eternal-september.org>, Siri
    Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Via the Pennsylvania RR through Philadelphia and Pittsburgh it was
    901 miles and via the New York Central through Albany and Toledo it
    was 960 miles. The NYC route has the better selection of
    intermediate cities if one wants to justify a high speed line.

    You can run airplanes between any two airports without the expense of >>building rail lines, but it does require airports with the traffic
    capacity for the airplanes.

    No kidding. Having driven home from DCA to upstate New York Monday
    night because my planes were cancelled due to EWR going kerflooie in
    bad weather, I can say it's a fantasy that we can add more airport
    capacity usefully close to city centers.

    It sucks to fly since Bush kissed union ass for votes and created the
    "TSA". Those people don't do shit but inconvenience the paying public.
    Get rid of them.

    We need better trains.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KniP3T_PPB4
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  • From Daryl.Stout@Daryl.Stout@f10.n1.z44918.fidonet.org (Daryl Stout) to HOUNSLOW3 on Thu Jun 21 09:05:00 2018
    Have they retained dining cars at least on the Zephyr or the Eagle?

    I think The Texas Eagle still has a diner, but I'm afraid that the
    diner will soon be phased out on all Amtrak trains, in favor of just
    doing a cafe/lounge car.

    Daryl

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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk to misc.transport.rail.americas on Thu Jun 21 16:46:13 2018
    On 20/06/2018 22:05, Daryl Stout wrote:
    Have they retained dining cars at least on the Zephyr or the Eagle?

    I think The Texas Eagle still has a diner, but I'm afraid that the
    diner will soon be phased out on all Amtrak trains, in favor of just
    doing a cafe/lounge car.

    Daryl

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    And I fear that they will remain gone, even if a major shift in the
    mid-terms or a subsequent change in the administration respectively
    brings in the most rail-friendly legislators or chief executive?

    Does VIA Rail still run dining cars?
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  • From Mike.Powell@Mike.Powell@f10.n1.z44920.fidonet.org (Mike Powell) to JOHN LEVINE on Thu Jun 21 18:53:00 2018
    Eisenhower was impressed by the Autobahns he saw in Germany and wanted
    to build something similar here. So he did. Don't think the German
    ones went through the middle of cities, though.

    IIRC, Eisenhower's plan was to link cities together. I think the idea to
    build them through cities came from a more local level. I know one of the first ones here built through a city was built first, and then officially became an Interstate later.

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  • From John Levine@johnl@taugh.com to misc.transport.rail.americas on Thu Jun 21 23:55:19 2018
    In article <529666742@f10.n1.z44920.fidonet.org>,
    Mike Powell <Mike.Powell@f10.n1.z44920.fidonet.org> wrote:
    Eisenhower was impressed by the Autobahns he saw in Germany and wanted
    to build something similar here. So he did. Don't think the German
    ones went through the middle of cities, though.

    IIRC, Eisenhower's plan was to link cities together. I think the idea to >build them through cities came from a more local level. I know one of the >first ones here built through a city was built first, and then officially >became an Interstate later.

    Possibly but there sure were a lot of horrible Interstates that were
    supposed to go through downtowns, such as I-695 that was supposed to
    go through Boston and Cambridge MA, I-93 which blighted the Boston
    waterfront for decades before being rebuilt underground, the lower
    Manhattan expressway that was supposed to run from the Holland Tunnel
    to the Manhattan and Williamsburg bridges, and I-676 through the
    middle of Philadelphia.

    ObRail: Boston got as far as condemning and clearing much of the route
    for I-695 which is now a linear park with the MBTA Orange line
    underneath.

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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk to misc.transport.rail.americas on Fri Jun 22 11:36:53 2018
    On 21/06/2018 07:53, Mike Powell wrote:
    Eisenhower was impressed by the Autobahns he saw in Germany and wanted
    to build something similar here. So he did. Don't think the German
    ones went through the middle of cities, though.

    IIRC, Eisenhower's plan was to link cities together. I think the idea to build them through cities came from a more local level. I know one of the first ones here built through a city was built first, and then officially became an Interstate later.

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    I thought that another purpose of the Interstate programme was to
    quickly move military around the country in the event of an emergency.
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  • From Mike.Powell@Mike.Powell@f10.n1.z44925.fidonet.org (Mike Powell) to HOUNSLOW3 on Fri Jun 22 18:13:00 2018
    IIRC, Eisenhower's plan was to link cities together. I think the idea to build them through cities came from a more local level. I know one of the first ones here built through a city was built first, and then officially became an Interstate later.

    I thought that another purpose of the Interstate programme was to
    quickly move military around the country in the event of an emergency.

    Yes, I learned/have also heard that as well.

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  • From Mike.Powell@Mike.Powell@f10.n1.z44926.fidonet.org (Mike Powell) to JOHN LEVINE on Fri Jun 22 18:17:00 2018
    ObRail: Boston got as far as condemning and clearing much of the route
    for I-695 which is now a linear park with the MBTA Orange line
    underneath.

    There have been movements, that never really get very far, to remove the downtown riverfront section of I-64 in Louisville in favor of a linear park
    or some other more view-friendly venues. The plan would be to re-route it around town concurrent with the existing I-264.

    When it was built, what could have been the basis of a future interurban rail line and station (Central Station and the waterfront tracks) were all pretty much removed.

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