• Videos show 'disgusting' slicks in creek water near Ohio train derailment. What's going on?

    From Global Warming!@global.warming@outlook.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.global-warming,misc.transport.rail.americas,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Sat Feb 18 03:49:41 2023
    Videos appear to show shimmering chemical contamination on creeks near the site of the East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment and chemical leak.

    Experts tell USA TODAY the rainbow-colored material is likely vinyl
    chloride, a heavier-than-water chemical that both leaked and burned
    following the Feb. 3 derailment of a Norfolk Southern freight train. The videos mark yet another example of heightened health and environmental concerns in the wake of the disaster.

    Authorities say about 3,500 small fish were killed in the creeks
    surrounding the derailment site shortly after the crash, leak and burn,
    but they have not reported significant subsequent deaths. Meanwhile, a new federal lawsuit claims fish and wild animals are dying as far as 20 miles
    away from the site of the derailment.

    Here's what to know about the videos:

    What do the videos show?
    The videos posted by several people, including Ohio Republican Sen. J.D.
    Vance show rainbow-colored slicks spreading across the surface of small streams in the area after people poked the creek beds with sticks or threw rocks in.

    "This is disgusting," Vance declared as sheen spread across what he said
    was Leslie Run creek.

    FACT CHECK:Ohio train derailment fact check: What's true and what's false?

    BACKGROUND: Is the Ohio River contaminated? East Palestine train
    derailment sparks concerns over water

    What is going on in the videos?
    John Senko, a professor of geosciences and biology at the University of
    Akron, said the videos depict what appears to be vinyl chloride, which
    would sink to the bottom of a lake or stream because it's denser than
    water.

    "It looks like what's happening is you got some of that stuff on the
    bottom of the creek, you stir it up a little bit, it starts to come up and then it's just going to sink again," he said. "So that stuff's behaving
    like I would expect vinyl chloride to behave.o

    What are the health risks of the creek contamination?
    The videos are evidence that groundwater contamination has occurred,
    experts told the USA TODAY Network. But contamination does not necessarily mean there's a health risk.

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency sets limits for what's deemed acceptable exposure to many chemicals, and says short-term exposure to
    high levels of vinyl chloride in the air can make people dizzy or give
    them headaches, while long-term exposure can cause liver damage.

    Dr. Kari Nadeau, the chair of Harvard's Environmental Health Department,
    said the oily sheen was likely left by burned chemicals that drifted back
    down to the ground and into the water.

    WATCH:Another Norfolk Southern train derails in Michigan after massive derailment in Ohio

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    "The information that I know as a public health expert, as well as from
    what the EPA is telling us right now, the EPA is letting us know that
    there are not dangerous levels of toxins in the water or the air at the current time," she said.

    What health concerns are there after Ohio train derailment?
    Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine has asked CDC doctors and experts to help screen
    area residents for illness, and state and federal environmental experts
    are overseeing monitoring and cleanup efforts.

    Ground water contamination: The crash and subsequent fire released
    chemicals into the air and onto the ground and a stream nearby. Experts
    say the ground and water contamination likely pose the biggest risk now.
    Air quality: Federal authorities have tested more than 450 homes for
    volatile organic compounds, which could pose a health risk.
    Private wells: Ohio Department of Health Director Bruce Vanderhoff said Tuesday that the air and water quality around East Palestine is generally safe, but private wells are in the process of being tested. Until those results are in, Vanderhoff encouraged residents with a private water
    supply to drink and use bottled water.
    What's being done to clean up?
    The spill happened closest to Sulfur Run creek, and authorities have
    damned it above and below the spill area. They're currently pumping the
    clean creek around the contamination area, and then remediating any contaminated water flowing into the short section of the dry creek bed.

    Norfolk Southern has said it will install wells to monitor groundwater. Officials will also sample soil in key areas, including near where the
    cars filled with vinyl chloride burned.

    WATCH:Ohio Gov. DeWine briefs on East Palestine train derailment

    WATCH:Residents seek answers over Ohio train derailment

    EPA controversy explained
    Many conservative lawmakers have complained the EPA has not responded aggressively enough to the spill. The EPA says Ohio and other federal
    agencies are better suited to assist.

    Vance in particular has attacked the EPA and challenged officials to drink
    the water in the streams in East Palestine.

    Underlying the discussion: The EPA has 20% fewer employees today than it
    did at its peak in 1999, when about 18,100 people worked there.

    The EPA's annual budget hit a high of $10.3 billion in 2010, and today
    sits at $9.5 billion. If the budget had kept up with inflation, it would
    be $14 billion. In 2017, then-President Trump proposed a 31% cut to the
    EPA's annual budget, although Congress ultimately rejected most of his
    cuts.

    President Biden has proposed a 2023 EPA budget of $11.8 billion, including hiring an extra 1,900 workers.

    The 2021 Bipartisan Infrastructure Law also provided billions in
    additional funding for programs overseen by the EPA, including
    environmental justice and cleanups. Most of the EPA's funding actually
    gets passed through to states and local governments, according to the
    agency.

    Ohio is among 24 states suing the federal government over the EPA's plans
    to toughen environmental regulations and pollution limits in small streams
    and wetlands over a long-disputed "Waters of the United States" rule. That lawsuit was filed Thursday.

    Contributing: Kelly Byer, The Repository

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  • From Governor Swill@governor.swill@gmail.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.global-warming,misc.transport.rail.americas,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Fri Feb 17 22:39:06 2023
    On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 03:49:41 +0100 (CET), "Global Warming!" <global.warming@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    Videos appear to show shimmering chemical contamination on creeks near the >site of the East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment and chemical leak.

    Experts tell USA TODAY the rainbow-colored material is likely vinyl >chloride, a heavier-than-water chemical that both leaked and burned >following the Feb. 3 derailment of a Norfolk Southern freight train. The >videos mark yet another example of heightened health and environmental >concerns in the wake of the disaster.

    Um, if it's heavier than water, why is it floating on *top*?


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    Swill
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  • From Governor Swill@governor.swill@gmail.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.global-warming,misc.transport.rail.americas,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Fri Feb 17 22:47:35 2023
    On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 03:49:41 +0100 (CET), "Global Warming!" <global.warming@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    Many conservative lawmakers have complained the EPA has not responded >aggressively enough to the spill. The EPA says Ohio and other federal >agencies are better suited to assist.

    Vance in particular has attacked the EPA and challenged officials to drink >the water in the streams in East Palestine.

    Underlying the discussion: The EPA has 20% fewer employees today than it
    did at its peak in 1999, when about 18,100 people worked there.

    The EPA's annual budget hit a high of $10.3 billion in 2010, and today
    sits at $9.5 billion. If the budget had kept up with inflation, it would
    be $14 billion. In 2017, then-President Trump proposed a 31% cut to the >EPA's annual budget, although Congress ultimately rejected most of his
    cuts.

    President Biden has proposed a 2023 EPA budget of $11.8 billion, including >hiring an extra 1,900 workers.

    The 2021 Bipartisan Infrastructure Law also provided billions in
    additional funding for programs overseen by the EPA, including
    environmental justice and cleanups. Most of the EPA's funding actually
    gets passed through to states and local governments, according to the >agency.

    Ohio is among 24 states suing the federal government over the EPA's plans
    to toughen environmental regulations and pollution limits in small streams >and wetlands over a long-disputed "Waters of the United States" rule. That >lawsuit was filed Thursday.

    <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/17/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-water/11282711002/>

    Typical partisan hypocrisy.

    "Get government off my back!"
    (An emergency happens.)
    "Why isn't government helping me?"

    The spill was on the third, the state begs for help, then files a suit to *stop*
    Washington from helping two weeks later.

    Swill
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  • From Klaus Schadenfreude@klaus.schadenfreude.löschen.@gmail.com to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.global-warming,misc.transport.rail.americas,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Sat Feb 18 04:43:28 2023
    On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 22:39:06 -0500, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 03:49:41 +0100 (CET), "Global Warming!" <global.warming@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    Videos appear to show shimmering chemical contamination on creeks near the >>site of the East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment and chemical leak.

    Experts tell USA TODAY the rainbow-colored material is likely vinyl >>chloride, a heavier-than-water chemical that both leaked and burned >>following the Feb. 3 derailment of a Norfolk Southern freight train. The >>videos mark yet another example of heightened health and environmental >>concerns in the wake of the disaster.

    Um, if it's heavier than water, why is it floating on *top*?

    But... but... but.. "experts!"

    LOL
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